what do you think about this?
nubian on Oct 18th 2006
please watch the whole thing.
i don’t think lynching should be wished upon anyone, but, for this rapper, “fake ass niggas” and “dumb ass bitches,” should all get lynched. ::sigh::
instead of taking a more nuanced approach at criticizing the condition of blacks in the u.s., the tired diatribe that the “lower class knuckleheads” (which people have used on this blog before—not me though), continue to make even us “respectable” blacks like oprah, cosby, king et. al., look bad, is once again played out. yawn.
this just disturbs me. i get the idea, but the wishing of lynching upon black bodies and the condoning of rape against female black bodies, is just very, very upsetting.
but seriously, what do you think?
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i HATED it. i appreciate what he was trying to say but his sexist rants really disturbed me.
Black women deserving to be raped? I heard no discussing the fact that Black women are being raped by Black men. and why do black women always have to be sexualized? was oprah the only black woman he could think of to put in the video?
i also hated his use of the n-word. it was all “sambo this and blackface that” but he kept using the n-word, or niggas…my bad should of added the -a
My point is this would have been a really powerful statement if it weren’t for the fact that he had to use ignorance and misogyny to do it. too bad it fell short
I think one of hip hop’s biggest problems is that many artists pretend to lead a certain lifestyle in order to sell records, and that these are the real fake asses who are selling out their own race.
This is not to say that there aren’t real gangsters who make hip hop, but that the majority of rappers who claim to live in a particular way do not actually do so.
Although the majority of the music’s consumers today are middle-class white kids, hip hop undoubtedly has an effect on black kids in the ghettos who also listen to it. I’m sure that this effect is a negative one; hip hop is in a dire state, with 9 out of 10 recording artists glamourizing guns and crime to get a slice of a multi-billion dollar industry. This can only propagate the condition of blacks in America today, and, for me, reinforces the notion that black people are their own worst enemy.
There is hope, however. Artists such as Talib Kweli and Mos Def keep the true spirit of hip hop alive. There are others, but these two immediately spring to mind. (I actually stopped listening to hip hop many years ago, because I grew tired of hearing the same negative nonsense being regurgitated.)
I know a poet that has a piece called “bring back segregation” which is an excellent piece in the same vein as the posted video. I think Kristin completely missed the point. No where in this track does it say black women (as a totality) ought to be raped. The artists position is that sell out negroes of any gender ought to be violated in order to be reminded of the “stuff” black folk have been too. Secondly the artist was quite clear that there were black women (Other than Winfrey) to whome he thought were “doing right”. Furthermore the rape commentary was in direct response to a Porn vid the artsit saw where a black woman allowed a white man doing a Heil Hitler salute to fuck her in the ass and ejaculate on her face. So as far as I’m concerned the artist can’t be said to be “sexist” because he finds that activity objectionable.
I may be of the philosophy that you don’t wish bad things on people, but I can concurr with the sentiments in the video and I’m simply not going to censor the artists because I may not use the same language he did. To be frank, the video is not particularly directed at folk who don’t regularly use “Nigga” in thier speech Just like Dead Prez is not particularly directed at the Bill Cosby crowd.
i don’t wanna censor the artist either, which is mainly why i put the peice on my blog. i just don’t agree with what he was saying, well i agree, but not with all of it.
I’m not feelin’ this. I don’t like how the message was communicated and I’m not sure the crowd to whom it’s supposedly directed would get all that subtelty Sondjata explains. We internalize so much hatred for our bodies and the devaluing of our lives. No, not even the worst “sell-outs” deserve to be lynched, deprogrammed, but not lynched. I’m more for the “Drop Squad” approach.
i could understand his frustrations, hell, i share some of them, but I get the feeling that he’s decided that blacks who don’t act/represent a certain way should be kept in line with the threats of death and sexual subjugation (no, not just the scene from the porn film he referenced; he did quite clearly tell certain women to suck his d*ck). and really, there’s nothing new or revolutionary or redeeming about those threats at all.
i share his frustrations, too. but i don’t think that even symbolically wishing harm on other blacks will solve anything. plus, i got sick and tired of the “faggots” and “bitches” and other perjorative terms used to describe black men and women.
Indeed, that is upsetting. Lynching of Black slaves, was one of the causes for the Haitian Revolution and the defeat of Napoleon, the Spanish, British and the eventual defeat of the Southern slaveholders.
Lynching of Italian men by racist Anglos was the beginning of a trend in the US.
Lynchings led to the revival of the notorious and efficient Ogboni Voodoo Secret Societies that are spread all over the Americas and are so secretive that members don’t even know each other.
Lynchings are not funny, for everyone knows what happened during a lynching - there were parties, and small children and barbeques and sometimes Black men were thrown in a pile of logs and set on fire ( see http://www.blacktown.net also see http://www.blackconsciousness.com )
These rappers however, are being raised by people who have joined with the traditional enemies of Blacks. The establishment of welfare and childsupport, white female worshipping and other evil schemes to destroy the Black family led to this type of mentality.
When the Black father was kicked out of the family so people could collect a welfare and childsupport check, WIC, subsidized housing, food stamps, medicare/medical, child care and all types of benefits — THAT IS WHEN THE BLACK FAMILY BEGAN TO BE DESTROYED, BLACK MALES BEGAN TO REBEL AND THE CRIME RATE AND THE OVERTAKING OF THE BLACK POPULATION BY OTHERS (WHO DID NOT FALL FOR THE RACIST FEMINIST TRICK) BEGAN.
If we must reverse this trend, WE BLACK MEN WILL HAVE TO BE POLITICALLY SMART AND VOTE IN THE INTERST OF SELF-PRESERVATION AND THE SURVIVAL OF THE BLACK RACE.
http://sexyloveronamcepoems.blogstream.com
Again, I’m not saying I may particularly care for the style in which the message was delivered but I am very much aware that the audience to whome I believe this “song” is targetted to speaks exactly in the manner that the artist does. It wouldn;’t fly in my circle because I don’t hang around with people who speak like that on a regular basis.
Telling someone to suck his dick is a regular insult on the streets as is the regular use of faggot etc. And yes, the target audience, if listening or watching would clearly understand the message. Whether they would respond positively to it is another story.
Everyone has made some valid points. Sondjata, I get what you are saying vis-a-vis his target audience. However, I don’t think the gay remarks etc… are necessary. Yes, they are sellouts - no, lynching is not necessary.
Basically, excellent point that needs to be made - fair to middlin’ execution.
Even though the form is commercial, the substance is not. hmmm I guess it would take this out of BET range….
I think I’m with you, Nubian… I understand the anger and the frustration, but it seems incredibly counterproductive to just take it out on black bodies some more.
Also, I just don’t trust people when they include depictions of rape in their shit. To me, it’s only the assumption of a straight male audience that makes them think that’s okay to do. Though I have to say it was one of the *least* intentionally titilating depictions of rape I’ve seen.
But yeah, upsetting is exactly the word for it.
“is this the best you could come up with?”
Even though the form is commercial, the substance is not. hmmm I guess it would take this out of BET range…
If BET can show “White Girls”, it could snip and cut this for mass consumption.
I like the message; I think the message is important. But like others have said, I don’t think the packaging did the message justice. Sondjata raises a good point about the message being poignant and simplified for regular hip-hop listeners to understand, but I don’t…I mean, do we need a rap form of Bill Cosby putting black people down now?
There has to be a more effective way to spread awareness and pride among black people without calling them faggots and threatening to rape/lynch them all.
I would like to take a moment to address some of what has been said about me and the song on this page.
But please note that i will NOT try to saw anyones opinions of the song.. if it is too harsh for you.. fine.
these appears to be a site for “black academics” teachers and learned folks i would assume?
Have you ever been in a situation where u are trying to enlighten someone to something, there may be about 10 people in the room. There are 2 or 3 people that sort of already know and are pretty much beyond what it is your expressing, but the other 7 or 8 REALLY need to hear what you are saying despite how basic it seems to the other 2 or 3.
And all the while you can see that you are reaching them.. they are getting involved and synapse are firing.. u can see it.. and just as u get it going here goes these 2 or 3 that know so much better than what you are talking about keep on inturrupting keep on stoping what u are doing because
they already know this
they could have said it better
they would have done it differnt
they don’t quite like what you said
so then the other people just miss out..
This song is the first draft of the first page of a very long document we ALL have to write.
WE ALL HAVE TO WRITE..
For people who seem to pride themselves on thier intellect.. which really apoears to be conciet and apathy wrapped in eloquence, you sure have missed the point.
I am OPENING A DOOR.. for YOU to step thru ..and articulate the discussion in the proper words and context.. I spoke in the language that those that NEED to hear it can understand.. now u can translate it add that which is necessary.. correct that which is flawed. I’m giving you thier attention.. i am giving you minds to remold..
and what do u do.
u come on your little message board and pontificate on how i could have said it.
U theorize on what kind of mysoginist i must be as my wife daughter and Mother sit at my right side and help guide my temper and words..lol
You didn’t even listen did u?
One of MY students who is now a PASTOR said to me recently.. that a calling is true because there is evidence..
I have evidence that what i am doing is reaching these kids and they want something better.. they just needed someone to dispell the darkness for them..
now help me man.. I can’t do this alone.. and i am not going to be able to do it perfect.. I’m just one person.. and i am trying my best..
so instead of nitpicking and turning your nose up to some curses that u all have used at one point or another..
help me..
WE have WORK to do.. get at them while they are talking and ready to listen..
I just did an interview with a college station last night… they kept me on from 2am till 3:15 cause they just wanted someone to tell them something right..
where were yall at??
and if .. in your arrogance.. u belive u could have convayed the message more effectively.. THEN DO IT.. what the hell are u waiting for??
or maybe it’s because the folks in “Your Circle” aren’t as desprate as the ones in front of my building??
and before i leave.. to suggest that i advocated the RAPE of black women, or ANY WOMEN for that matter is irresponsible and just plain stupid. All these images on this video are REAL images .. i didn’t pay anyone to act this out.. this was free and available on Yahoo and Google images.. so if u have issue with it.. then u have issue with REALITY..
and that quite frankly is NOT my problem
with the hopes that you see that i am not your enemy but someone who is only doing what he can..
Peace
NYOIL
because ideals last longer than the people who create them
NYOIL, I just don’t understand why anyone should imply that any woman ’should’ be raped/violated for any reason at all.
That’s all, really.
with respects to your confusion..
u have to understand mine when i recite the words in my mind and try to figure out at what point i said anything like a woman SHOULD GET RAPED
that would be VERY irresponsible
Now there is a line where i say verbatim
“and all you whore ass bitches yall can suck my dick”
is this the line your referring too?
the only other thing i can think you are refrencing is
where i discribe the porn movie .. which i certainly don’t condone that behavior.. if anything i am trying to TELL YALL .. LOOK.. this is what we have SUNK TO.
Can u belive that a black woman allowed this to happen to her.. in this day and age..
this is acceptable to u??
It is a sad day for feminisim when even Feminist forget the sacrifices and struggle that good women have made in the name of opening doors for sisters like the sister who at 25 can be an writer .. and free to express her opinion..
we have obligations to one another.. and some of these obligations sister are pacts drawn in BLOOD.. the blood of women battered and abused in homes crying into pillows at nights praying for a new day to come..
the blood of womens sufferage who worked to the nail and bone to feed families held together by HER fortitude.
I would see these blood pacts honored..
but rape?
nah sister i think the author of the topic was lazy in her assesment of my work.. and instead of using a powerful mind that she obviously has to analyze and see the long term of my vision.. or even to just take a moment to go to the myspace page and read my blog where i detail why and what i am trying to do .. she just gave it a few soundbites and some net sighs and yawns .. and u went along with a canned statement.
sister.. i would never advocate rape of a black woman.. NEVER.. My mother raised me and my brother by herself.. and made a good life for us.. and i am proud of her..
and to be quite frank dammit..
any woman that would disrepect women like my mother by placing such little value on themselves thier famiies and thier traditions.. needs at the very least to be spoken to in the harshest manner.
we are partners in this sister.. and i love you enough that i aint going to sit here and condone foolish hehavior in the name of not hurting your feelings.
that’s like having a sleeping child in a burning house.. and being scared to wake the child up for fear that u might startle him.
are u serious?
when is the last time u went to youtube??
do me a favor .. maybe because u are a woman this isn’t something u would do normally.. but go to youtube and type in the word.. ass shake.. or booty shake or jiggle
after u do that..
listen to my song again.. and tell me if u think my mysogintic rant is just that..
because if u can sit and tell me that i should be speaking another way.. Your going to have to pen the next song i write.. because I have yet to see the fruits of any of your labors. Your tactics have failed us.. and it is time for a new guard.
NYOIL
I think this artist expresses a more careful objection to the issues that the NYOIL tackles.
http://www.christhomasking.com/ctk/website/music_more.asp?disc_id=7
I looked all over for a sample of his n’word rap, but could not find one except for this at Itunes and 30 seconds doesn’t really give this song justice — and in fact, is offensive out of context. However, as part of the whole, it’s a powerful critique and one that doesn’t victimize people who are already victimized by racism and sexism.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=95768470&s=143441
You know I thought I knew what I was going to write about this until I read the post and re-watched the video and then read each response.
I think I will speak on the issue of women in the artists protest song.
My issue is with the artist in part but largely with myself. I wonder if I am supposed to agree with some of what he said and still be fair in condemning the rest.
About the black women he discusses who seem to be saying (and I agree) “notice me”.
Okay I agree with his anger and the thought of “young queens” viewing the behavior but also black women are marginalized in ways he can’t always know and this manifests itself in sometimes destructive ways. Which is why so many of us are out there shaking our ass-ets to be “noticed”.
Bottom line (or close to the bottom) is that black women are invisible to a degree that I think this artist doesnt recognize. We are de-feminized in the way of gentility, softness, or the damsel in distress-ness, (wait-hear me out).
White female beauty/personage as the standard has been so destructive that our sisters sometimes fall back on the hypersexualized black whore stereotype in an effort to re-claim some of that femininity. It seems to be a way to say “I am more than just the strong black woman, the ever present and doting Grandmother, I am WOMAN too, think of me as someone to rescue (whether I need/want you to)Think of me as someone who is beautiful and to be desired (Not always sexually mind you but these women may feel that this is all they have).
This is not an excuse mind you but it is something to consider. I want to write out so much more of this….
This was some serious food for thought though….
excellent blog you have btw.
NYOIL, you don’t need to explain yourself to these sorts of people. I’m from Bedford-Stuyvesant, i’m a young black male. I was feeling every word of it. The above is you dealing with people who focus on a specific word than it’s contextual usage. It’s highly irresponsible method of discerning, disecting or learning. I’d have to say from the commentary a large part of them didn’t even listen to what was said but made sure to keep their ears tuned in for hot-button words. This is also why, large and parcel our elders have failed significantly in terms of “reaching the youth” or whatever roundtable term is being used this week. My advice to you, is to ignore these people and keep doing what you do; When it’s accepted by lets say a larger audience, these will be the same people who turn around and say. “Yeah it was a little raw but he was insightful”. These are the same people who see you in the street and won’t listen to you but tomorrow see you in a magazine, quick to say “I know him”. They are negative, they are hypocrites and these people aren’t your audience. I’m your audience, a young educated black male with spendable income that wants to hear positive insightful shit. Don’t get me wrong I still like to see some chick shake her money maker but too much of anything is od’n. What you are saying is positive. For the rest of you the truth isn’t pretty, don’t slain the messenger; and get for real.
Black youth doesn’t care what you think because you don’t care what we think.
i just watched this…and i still don’t know how i feel about it…on the one hand, the points he made were quite valid…but on the other hand, was the use of this imagery necessary to convey said points? not sure…i was captivated and at the same time disgusted by the choice of words…i don’t think that you should ever have to stoop to the same levels of the very people that you claim to be so vehemently against…those same “coon azz rappers” disrespect sisters in the same manner as you…so how can expect them to give a response that’s postive if you take the most negative route to convey a message? You think those sisters haven’t been called everything that you just said by men everywhere before? Do you think that that word choice would make them change their minds and give up the azz shaking? You can’t perpetuate the same stereotype in order to make a point…it never has worked…which is why your voice would be drowned out although, again, i believe some of the things you had to say needed to be said…
I believe your heart is in the right place…but your mind is lagging along somewhere…rewrite your script…so the plot can be worth me paying 8 or nine bucks to go to the movie theater to see feel me?
[…] When I first started spewing the distinction it was in cinder block dorm rooms, but now that I hear the argument I hear it on TV, on websites, in blogs. As someone who considers himself somewhat of a scholar of Hip-Hop, I can appreciate a theoretical distinction. But I’m trying to look at it from the bottom up, not top down. I really started thinking about this distinction when I was reading blac(k)ademic’s post on NYOil’s video “Ya’ll should all get lynched”. […]
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It’s so utterly repugnant, his video’s concept of lynching as community uplift, so unbelievably bad that one must assume the artist himself simply does not recognize the import of his chosen diction, does not understand the unmitigated hell of the ly…
[…] Blackacademics reject the use of terms like n*gga and b*tch, probably because of their tendency to argue their ideas on paper and in an academic environment. Their initial reaction is understandable but it seems to me, if one thinks it through, one should be able to appreciate what YSAGL accomplishes. NYOIL is able to force a more balanced discussion by striking his enemies head on and he should be congratulated, not admonished. Link1, Link2 (via) This song is the first draft of the first page of a very long document we ALL have to write. WE ALL HAVE TO WRITE.. For people who seem to pride themselves on thier intellect.. which really apoears to be conciet and apathy wrapped in eloquence, you sure have missed the point. […]
GOD Damn! This track is my favorite. It’s like a rebirth of a 2006 Malcolm speach! Malcolm would speak and Negro (need to grow up) would focus on why he called white folks devils. Anyone who betrays his or her army or nation is usually punished by death. We have a lot of traitors within the BLACK nation and it’s gotten to the point that you can say or do anything harmful to us and get away with it; even other races can say or do what ever they want with us and get away with it.
It’s time to stop! We can’t intellectualize word to freedom; we’re goin to have to kick some asses in home first then out home! Bottom Line.
You don’t hear anyone criticizen Harriet Tubman for her havin to shoot some of us on our way to FREEDOM cause he or she was sellin out, shit, they had to go. Same as some of these other cats on the mic.
We as BLACK people don’t have time for weakness, we don’t have any clear lines of what is acceptible and what isn’t and this good brotha just made a clear line and we get mad.
STOP PLAYIN GOD DAMNIT!
yeah. whatever. i don’t think malcolm would advocate for black people to be lynched. martin either.
“instead of taking a more nuanced approach at criticizing the condition of blacks in the u.s., the tired diatribe that the ‘lower class knuckleheads’ (which people have used on this blog before—not me though), continue to make even us ‘respectable’ blacks like oprah, cosby, king et. al., look bad, is once again played out. yawn.”
Structure, culture, and individual responsibility all play a large role in “knucklehead” behavior. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
The kneejerk counter “you have to understand the conditions of the black underclass” is just as reductive and played out as the conservative mantras “racism is dead” and “you just have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps to prosper in America.” Yawn, indeed.
Damned right “we” did. Who the hell is he to draw any line, and who says we can’t get mad about where he draws it? Who says it’s the right line to draw? Who says just because it’s drawn the matter’s solved?
(An aside: Malcolm had his audience, but he also had his critics. Not everyone agreed with the line he drew. But Malcolm had no problems with changing his message as long as he felt confident in his heart he was speaking the truth. Plus, Malcolm could respond to criticism and respond to it well. I don’t understand why people view Malcolm X as this uncompromising absolutist. The man had more heart than a hell of a lot of people, and he had dignity — but he was just as powerful a listener and observer as he was a speaker.
And yes, I got all that from reading his autobiography.
We do need more rally cries, but not like this.)
I truely appoligize for the comment that I made earlier. I was under the impression that this was a forum of post were BLACK folks discussed about how to get free. I really do appoligize, I usually don’t bring revolutionary dialogue to negro conversations. I do appoligize.
eliyah—
um, yeah. go on with that…
I truely appoligize for the comment that I made earlier. I was under the impression that this was a forum of post were BLACK folks discussed about how to get free. I really do appoligize, I usually don’t bring revolutionary dialogue to negro conversations. I do appoligize.
ROFL
*Wipes tears from face*
That was funny.
Hehehehehehe! That’s just…wow. Woooooow. [/Flava Flav]
NYOIL,
No one here is saying you shouldn’t say what you want to say nor is anyone condemning you outright. The issue is that you may THINK that you have a valid reason to castigate a woman who has sex with a neo-Nazi but what the women on this forum are telling you is that the criticism of such acts SHOULD NOT involve the same misogynist language that blames women for rape. The issue here is much deeper than just using the tough love of calling people out for reinforcing stereotypes, it is (subtly) blaming the victim for the crime. Because, even though you say (and I want to believe you) it was not be your intent, what I hear is “If you lower yourself to such standards, of course you deserve to be raped and/or lynched.” If this is the case, then you have no case. The point that has to be said over and over again, NO MATTER WHAT A WOMAN (OR MAN) DOES, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS RAPE EVER JUSTIFIED and NO MATTER WHAT WE BLACK FOLKS DO, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS LYNCHING EVER JUSTIFIED. Under no circumstances should either case be argued, because what you are wielding with that statement is a double edged sword. When it comes down to it you won’t be there when someone sees a woman wearing a skirt and dancing “seductively” and decides she is lacking in self respect but deserving to be raped. Nor will you be there when someone decides black kids who stole soda and candy at a grocery store in an all white hood, are equally lacking in self-respect and deserve to be beaten up.
This site is called blackademic and the owner is Nubian. A few of us are academics, most folks are non-academics but we all consider ourselves public intellectuals struggling for the wellbeing of our communities… just like you.
P.S: EliYah Sankofa: “I truely appoligize for the comment that I made earlier. I was under the impression that this was a forum of post were BLACK folks discussed about how to get free. I really do appoligize, I usually don’t bring revolutionary dialogue to negro conversations. I do appoligize.”
Thank you for the heartfelt apology, but really no one asked for it in the first place.
Your revolutionary Negro,
Sewere
Your revolutionary Negro,
Sewere
ROFL
It get’s funnier by the minute!
Unfortunately I missed this conversation but I’ll drop my two cents.
I think NYOIL’s video statement was very strong, though unpleasant, and it got picked up and discussed in a lot of venues where academics have little or no influence.
NYOIL’s comment on this blog is also quite interesting. He’s reaching out from a place many of you can’t access and he’s being strongly rejected, even by those of you who softened your initial critiques.
It’s another reminder of the general uselessness of academics in contemporary social movements. It doesn’t have to be that way but that’s how it’s going.
Enjoy your coffee and deep thoughts.
Clyde Smith
PhD, Ohio State, 2000
clyde–
how is nyoil\’s video representative of any social movement? and what place is he reaching out from?
and i am saddened and DEEPLY offened with all of the black (and white) men coming here to defend nyoil\’s disgusting homophobia and misogyny. academic or not, that is fucked up.
I have a lot of different thoughts but I just want to say I went overboard in attacking you. I hear where you’re coming from and actually share such concerns but I also saw this video making the rounds in places that wouldn’t normally buy into such a critique. Yet people seemed to be responding to the video as a clear attack on meaningless hip hop in a manner that takes the effects of entertainment quite seriously.
So, sorry about going overboard, but I do think this video has value. I’m not saying that the video is representative of a particular social movement.
NYOIL reached out in his comments and, as far as I’m concerned, that ball got dropped by people critiquing the video. It was an opening to dialogue and people chose to keep arguing.
That inability to switch modes is one example of why academics often have difficulty speaking with street oriented activists and artists. And those are the types of conversations that have to occur to build any substantial movement.
bullshit. no one argued with nyoil. yes, we critiqued his video—he put it out there, what did he expect. but no one argued.
and sorry clyde, i don’t agree that academics cant speak with street artists/activists. what the problem is, that i can’t critique a black man—activists, academic or not. it has nothing to do with education or lack of. plus, nyoil has already commented that he holds a degree, so how is he anymore “street” than i am?
IT’S TIME FOR THE MEN’S MOVEMENT…IT’S THAT SIMPLE!
THE MILLION MAN MARCH WAS OVER TEN YEARS AGO…SO, BLACK MAN, WHY ARE YOU WAITING ON PERMISSION FROM EITHER WHITES, OR YOUR MOMMMIE TO JOIN THE MEN’S MOVEMENT?!?
WHAT THE HELL?!
erm Clyde…
i’m not an academic. I don’t have a Phd.
I’m just a black woman who gives a shit. raished Soul, RnB, Hip-Hop, Common Sense and Afro JuJu beats.
You must not have looked around you at the reality of where we are.
NYOIL in his running commentary did exactly what most boys/guys/men on the street will do when they see this video..
and that is say things like ‘black women ain’t nothing but tricks, see how she let that Nazi do her in a porno’.
See how NYOIL came in here talking about some women slept with him because of his polka dot shirt…..
He forgot that he was the person who slept with a girl because she liked his polka dot shirt…
My first concern when I saw that video, was where the heck is that woman? was she kidnapped against her will, was she strung out on drugs, was she desperate, where is she…
NYOIL couldn’t see beyond his disgust and hatred to actually be concerned about this woman who nobody seems to have heard from. One has to wonder what NYOIL was doing watching a racist porno movie in the first place and why he thought it to be the right thing to further humiliate this woman who no one seems to give a shit about.
And the kids on the street won’t give a shit about her either.. because hip-hop has been teaching us for the last decade that black women ain’t nothing but ‘ho’s and tricks’.
So what more of a discussion do you want, NYOIL had a chance at a discussion herr, but typically when he couldn’t communicate his own vision he chose to try to denigrate and dismiss everyone else as irrelevant or over educated or whatever.
Fact is, his premise is flawed. No doubt he will get an audience, an audience of people who profess to love hip hop and real talk. An audience which will do anything and say anything just to be heard, irrespective of the fact that they are talking crap.
He will find an audience because there are people out there who love to suffer fools gladly and hate themselves soo much that they would propose that their fellow men need to get lynched for destroying something that they like.
Yea.. he’ll get an audience, people like you who are willing to sit with the devil if it means you can be guarenteed a crumb.
You come here and condemn what is a valid view point and valid criticism without taking the time to actually see the vast irresponsibility of NYOIL and then presume that we are all sitting in some lofty academic lounge bar sipping on coffee..?. haa haa
Oh Now I see it, haa haa you were joking.
Well, I don’t drink coffee but I’ll go mix a pot of tea right now and commence sipping…
Why don’t you grab a paperbag, wrap it around that ‘40′ and commence glugging…
i wondered, too, why in the hell was he watching the porn in the first place.
mayor of blacktown….
um, no comment.
Mayor of black town doesn’t even like black women and thinks eddie murphy is one of the’great negroes’..
He thinks Oprah is a tool and thinks there’s something wrong with her not inviting those ‘50 cent’ on her TV show .. isn’t that something?.
Because obviously to him, ‘fiddy’ sure is saying it like it is,
See Clyde… those are the people you attract by those type of videos.. people whoby the fake machismo bullshit of those very videos you condemn, because of your language.
Obviously I misread the academic part but, more importantly, you folks make some good points, even if I won’t agree with all of them.
However, I had to laugh at this:
“Yea.. he’ll get an audience, people like you who are willing to sit with the devil if it means you can be guarenteed a crumb.”
By the way, I’m the guy you’ll usually find in the coffehouse and I’m not ashamed to admit it! Though it’s usually a more bohemian setting than an academic lounge.
Thanks for giving me something to think about.
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Eliya dont ever apoligize for speaking the truth,as a matter of fact some of the people posting here are the exact
type you were refering to.As far as the raping bw thing,porn is rape and everybody knows that women period that are in porn movies get the worst end of it,and all nyoil was saying is bw in porn are already being raped and now taking it to a lower level its not him thats condoning
rape of bw,but its the bw themselfs in these movies saying
i like being raped for money and the more you pay the lower
i will sink.So all of you crying about the raping of bw comment need to talk to the bw that are doing all of those
animalistic things in porn,and they will tell you to kiss their ass because they are making bank.When you live in the
devils house you soon become a devil yourself,thats all the dude is saying and if some of you would stop zooming in
on the buzz words you might get it.And eliya was right,when that day comes cleaning out the black house will be a must to see who the real black warriors are!
i can’t get mad at him. feminist that I am, I want to. But he is on point. we can no longer stand by and allow the fake gansta rappers and ass shaking females to define what Black is. Everyone cringes at the ‘yall should all get lynched’ part, but is that worse than what they represent.
certainly the lynching is pushing the envelope, and certainly no one would say, yes they should literally be lynched. It does suggest that we need to go to extreme measures to counteract what is happening within our community.
peace.
GREAT, I really enjoyed the video! It makes me want to strive to do better for myself, and I hope others feel the same way. Thanks for waking me up NYOIL, I had dozed off for a minute!
It seems like other folks on this blog got stuck on a few lyrics here and there (thus, missing the main message), and are confusing his figurative statements for literal ones.
No big deal! Time can’t be wasted trying on those who can’t see the forest for the trees.